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February 07, 2007

No outdoor smoke without ire

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Stand by for a news flash from Paris's Had to Happen department.
Few can have failed to notice that smokers, faced with fines if they light up at work, are forming sad little huddles at the entrances to workplaces.

It is not completely new, of course - the same sight, involving smaller numbers, could be encountered even before the recent law took effect
as more and more offices imposed their own bans.

What is fresh, however, is the stern warning from the Mairie de Paris that anyone stubbing out a cigarette on the pavement faces a whacking 183 euro fine.

That is rather steeper than the penalty for defying the smoking ban and the same price you'd pay if caught allowing your dog to do its business on le trottoir.

Was there ever a better reason for the street, in the noble traditions of France, to make itself heard?

French workers hooked on the weed must instantly mobilise to fight for outdoor ashtrays.

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At February 07, 2007 4:31 PM, Blogger Bill Taylor said...

You missed your calling, Colin. You have a flair for headlines. (Not, of course, that your writing and reporting skills aren't exemplary.)

At February 07, 2007 5:07 PM, Blogger anne gilbert said...

Yes.Discarded cigarette ends are a button to me.The germs people carry on their hands after contact with their lips as a smoking habit. Then of course we are supposed to step on the debris they have discarded.Finally, the ends are swept away in the rains and go into the water system.
In my mother's day she would carry a small gold box with a handle to dispose of ends.

Today one can be driving their car,window down and receive an end right into the car from the "sophistes" 21st century style.

At February 07, 2007 6:08 PM, Blogger Roger said...

Why 183€, I wonder, rather than a nice round 185 or even 200?

Are there similar charges for crotte de chiens, or chewing gum even? I have been sticking to the pavement all day (chewing gum, fortunately)

At February 07, 2007 6:38 PM, Blogger Bill Taylor said...

I think you have to go as far as Singapore to find any real laws regarding chewing gum. The rules were relaxed in 2004 to allow the importation of anti-smoking gum but otherwise it remains a total no-no. I believe the maximum penalty for trying to bring it into the country is a year in jail and a $5,500 U.S. (about 4,200€) fine.
Oddly enough, their smoking laws are less draconian than in many countries. It's permitted in air-conditioned bars, clubs and discos. Maximum penalty for smoking where you shouldn't is "only" $1,000 U.S. (about 770€). It's not for nothing that Singaporeans joke that they live in a "fine" country; one where you can be fined for almost anything.

At February 07, 2007 6:58 PM, Blogger Louise said...

Well, there is a very simple answer to the problem of fag ends in the street and one that is good for the economy, too...
In New York where those addicted zip down 80 floors for a quick drag there are virtually no ashtrays in the street - however the building employs a guy with a brush and pan to sweep them up.
I should run for PM - unemployment sorted out in a flash! And what about people who bag up your goods in the supermarket - the French and Swiss could take a leaf out of the American and English (well, Sainsbury's anyway) book.

At February 07, 2007 7:37 PM, Blogger anne gilbert said...

My neighbour used to jet her cigarette end out the car window,passing my house.Still burning!!(And I live surrounded by trees)!
One day I picked them up,mailed them to her and haven't seen one since.

At February 07, 2007 9:33 PM, Anonymous SH said...

If the Paris authorities are as successful at catching people stamping out cigarettes on the pavement as they are at catching dog owners who allow their pets to foul the streets, the revenue from such fines will not be great.

At February 07, 2007 10:31 PM, Blogger Bill Taylor said...

I disagree, SH. I've never found it to be much of a problem in Paris. There are lots of other cities that are far worse.

At February 07, 2007 10:50 PM, Blogger Louise said...

If you want dirty streets covered in dog shit, go to Toulouse...

At February 07, 2007 11:10 PM, Blogger richard of orléans said...

What do you get for half of SH(IT), SH?
Half a fine?

At February 07, 2007 11:25 PM, Blogger anne gilbert said...

Is it necessary to express canine excrement as ---- ?
It seems a little derogatory toward animals.If you are inclined to express yourself in crude terms,then look no further.
All the human waste being dumped into the Mediterranean is your decalogue to recite to yourself.

At February 07, 2007 11:43 PM, Anonymous SH said...

I wouldn't disagree with that, Bill Taylor. There are quite a few French cities that could properly be described as "-sur Merde". Except for Orleans, where they have a good street-sweeper!

Which of the Ten Commandments deals with sewage disposal, though, Anne Gilbert?

At February 08, 2007 12:36 AM, Blogger anne gilbert said...

It means you could write your own commandments,SH.

Not to toss cigarette ends into the street.
Wash hands more often.

Add some of yours,SH.

At February 08, 2007 7:05 AM, Blogger Louise said...

Oh, stop being so PC, anne gilbert - you can call it canine excrement, dog poo or whatever you like - but when you put your foot in it, you probably say 'Oh, shit'. Point made.

At February 08, 2007 7:05 AM, Blogger Louise said...

Oh, stop being so PC, anne gilbert - you can call it canine excrement, dog poo or whatever you like - but when you put your foot in it, you probably say 'Oh, shit'. Point made.

At February 08, 2007 8:10 AM, Blogger richard of orléans said...

I don't much like the SH word myself. Rather vulgar and crude. Typical of outre channel, even outre Hadrien. It's a bit better if you add an 'e', sounds more home counties, Buck house.

Of course if you decide to add an 'e' SH is not even half a S----.

At February 08, 2007 9:55 AM, Anonymous SH said...

The Anglosaxon of Orleans has got it wrong again. Shite is the Scottish version of the offending word - listen to Billy Conolly's pronunciation. Home counties and Buck house indeed!

Perhaps we could use the glorious German "Scheisse", where sh would only be a quarter of such a noble teutonic word and it could spare delicate feelings.

At February 08, 2007 1:17 PM, Blogger anne gilbert said...

The Alps seem to be populated with Vulgarians.

There are other choices in words,such as.

Takes the pornography away,you understand.

At February 08, 2007 1:19 PM, Blogger richard of orléans said...

Keep your kilt on SH. We don't want half frozen turds.

I have no respect for the Scottish as hangers on to the English. Uncle Toms (read Gordons)and all.

At February 08, 2007 2:10 PM, Blogger Bill Taylor said...

Hangers on to the English? None of the Scots I've ever known were remotely like that. They wanted "oot." As I said a couple of weeks ago, the Auld Alliance would be a much better fit. Or perhaps a Celtic free trade bloc.

At February 08, 2007 2:55 PM, Blogger Roger said...

There's a nice patch of green in front of our office, here on the outskirts of Paris, that the locals seem to have mistaken for a doggy toilet. I'm glad I'm not the guy who has to mow the lawn.

BTW - interesting how many more comments there are on Colin's blog when we descended from dog ends to dog excrement (hope that's OK Anne) compared to the "Irish eyes for Ségo" entry. What a down market crowd we are.

At February 08, 2007 4:18 PM, Blogger anne gilbert said...

Well Roger,what this blog needs from time to time is an "orificelly" reassociation of the senses.

If one is unable to tie their shoelaces,don't come near me.

At February 08, 2007 4:38 PM, Blogger Louise said...

A note from the Alpine Vulgarian - I am obviously also a Crétin des Alpes...I didn't know the word Sh** was pornographic (hope you note the use asterisks AG - I wouldn't want to offend your sensitive nature yet again).

At February 08, 2007 4:38 PM, Blogger Louise said...

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At February 08, 2007 4:40 PM, Blogger richard of orléans said...

The problem with shoelaces is they keep coming undone.
Just like the skivvying Scots are undone.
They are completely out of kilt and down on their sporran.
They show their bare bum but none are afraid
Now the Irish. There you have a people to admire.
The republique of Blarney shall be first
The monarchy of the scone colony is bust.

At February 08, 2007 4:40 PM, Blogger Louise said...

Sorry - don't know why this appears twice - I binned the second comment but it didn't want to be binned.

At February 08, 2007 4:48 PM, Blogger anne gilbert said...

Sliding into pornography,sliding into pornography,sliding.

Cretin des Alpes is again,Vulgarian talk.

Richard,if one wears laces,then one must always keep an eye to the shoe.

At February 08, 2007 5:29 PM, Anonymous the anne gilbert and roo fan club said...

ON one occasion King James the Fifth of Scotland, when alone, in disguise,
Near by the Bridge of Cramond met with rather a disagreeable surprise.
He was attacked by five gipsy men without uttering a word,
But he manfully defended himself with his sword.

At February 08, 2007 5:46 PM, Blogger anne gilbert said...

The Scottish King had a sword with ring.
It carried the notes with fine tempered sling.
A couple of slashes that removed 5 silly hats.
No need for disguise when you're dashing about that.

At February 08, 2007 5:46 PM, Blogger anne gilbert said...

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At February 08, 2007 8:14 PM, Blogger richard of orléans said...

Anne There is no Scottish King, there is the Duke of Edinburgh that well known Scottish laird.

At February 08, 2007 8:51 PM, Blogger anne gilbert said...

You are becoming windy,Richard. I know my history,so there is no need to embellish the verse here with the Order of the Garter.


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