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December 01, 2006

Nathalie Gettliffe sentencing (updated)

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Anyone interested in the Nathalie Gettliffe case should know that prosecutors in British Columbia have asked for a two-year jail term when sentence is passed this evening (Monday).

Moreover, they do not feel that her entire time in jail awaiting trial should qualify under the Canadian "credit" system which allows actual sentences to be reduced by up to double the pre-trial custody period.

If Madam Justice Marvyn Koenigsberg follows the prosecution demand, in other words, Gettliffe will still have to serve 14 months before being released.

Some readers will remember that the woman involved in that appalling sex crime in another Canadian province qualified for instant freedom under the same "credit" scheme. Her two years spent in custody was allowed to count double against her four-year sentence.

The actions of Gettliffe, in removing her two children from Canada to France in defiance of a court order, were wrong and punishable.

But they pale into insignificance when set aside the other woman's role in the abduction and gross sexual abuse of two girls, aged 12 and 13.

Chalk and cheese, cries Bill Taylor from Toronto. But why on earth should we not draw attention to such a glaring inconsistency as the further imprisonment sought for Gettliffe immediately after someone guilty of somewhat more evil acts elsewhere in Canada has received compassion and leniency?

Different jurisdiction? Cobblers. Same country.

I may need to gett-a-liffe, as Anon cleverly puts it in the comments below. But Canadian justice, I repeat, has not covered itself in glory in the Gettliffe affair.

To deny a pregnant mother bail pending trial was bad enough. To refuse her these "credits" for part of her time behind bars (the couple of months between arrest and the children's return to Canada and their father's custody) begins to sound, if not vindictive, draconian.

Nathalie Gettliffe's defence has argued for a sentence that would ensure her immediate or early release.

No one at all appears to have canvassed what I believe would be the appropriate and merciful outcome, a suspended sentence.

This would surely take account of the interests of everyone, especially all four children (the two at the centre of the case, and two more by her present companion).

It would also make proper allowance for the harsh punishment Gettliffe has already brought upon herself over the past eight months. And it would acknowledge the extremes to which acrimonious parental battles over child custody can drive one partner or both.

I do not suggest that Judge Koenigsberg has anything but a difficult task to perform, as she herself has admitted. But if I may add to the mitigation already offered to the court, no decent interest would be served by making Gettliffe serve another day in jail.

Once she has been sentenced, I will naturally discuss the case further as soon as I can.

But Salut! am not a news agency and anyone who cannot wait, and is not following the matter in the French or Canadian media, should check the usual internet news sources.

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At December 01, 2006 8:40 PM, Blogger anne gilbert said...

It's December 1st.
Twenty four days until Christmas.

What about committing to an agreed time on a agreed date to sing Christmas carols?
We could go alphabetical,one verse each of our favourite carol.

At December 01, 2006 11:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The prosecution wants to keep Nathalie Gettliffe in prison or on probation with limited visiting rights until the children are old enough to choose for themselves who they want to be with.

At December 02, 2006 5:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please Mr. Randall. Gett-a-liffe.

At December 02, 2006 6:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice one, anonymous!

At December 02, 2006 9:28 PM, Blogger richard of orléans said...

While we are waiting for the next step in the Gettliffe saga, I see ségo has got her knickers in a twist. In a Lebanese parliamentary meeting a hezbollah representatative called the Israelis Nazis, and lambasted the Americans. She agreed with the guy about the Americans and didn't pick up on the Nazi accusation. Her backtracking today sounds a bit lame. She is testing her cream white teflon coated jacket.

At December 03, 2006 8:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I still think there is more to the NG case than meets the eye - however I admit that I haven't really followed the case. But it seems strange that she is still in prison, hasn't been granted parole and will not be able to use her 'credits' when sentencing is pronounced.

Perhaps too much publicity is to blame?

At December 03, 2006 4:11 PM, Blogger richard of orléans said...

According to Le journal du Dimanche, she has now repented and apologised to the court, her children and former husband. The comment of the newspaper is "an apology which contrasts with her arrogant attitude up to now"

One can better understand the line of conduct of the Canadian justice if she expressed no remorse for her actions. Obviously she was just going to break the law again.

The credit system seems strange. I don't see why a convicted criminal should get any bonus. Is it an incentive to society to ensure speedy justice? On the other hand it always flabbergasts me that innocent people are locked up, found innocent and receive little compensation for something which will probably destroy that person's life permanently. We seem to wash our hands of the tragedies perpetrated in our name. Rather like the English and Iraq.

At December 03, 2006 7:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fed up reading about Nathalie Gettliffe, Sego etc ? Why not visit Louise's new blog:


Rumour has it she harbours no ambitions whatsoever to occupy the Elysée Palace. That alone sounds a pretty good recommendation. Read, and judge for yourselves.

At December 03, 2006 9:32 PM, Blogger richard of orléans said...

Colinb. You may find comments on nathalie and ségo boring. But believe me, that is absolutely nothing compared with long turgid blogs on rubbish tips.

At December 03, 2006 10:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some might consider that a long turgid post is preferable to a short turdish one.

At December 03, 2006 10:26 PM, Blogger richard of orléans said...

I doubt hippos have short turds.

At December 03, 2006 10:39 PM, Blogger Bill Taylor said...

Chalk and cheese, indeed, Colin. You simply cannot -- well, obviously you can; you have -- but should not compare two entirely different provincial judiciaries. Perhaps you should wait until Monday until passing your own judgement. I suspect Nathalie Gettliffe will very soon be free.
And for those of us who thought we were free of Colin Berry after his so-called final farewell, up he pops again in full busybody mode. How long before he inflicts his tiresome scold of a "daughter" upon us once again?

At December 03, 2006 10:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought you would have liked Colin B's posting on trash, Roo. I seem to remember that you recently extolled the joys of litter collection, being one of your jobs in another life.

I admit I thought about running for President, but there are a couple of hang-ups:

1. I'm not French
2. I have never kidnapped my children
3. I have never been to Canada
4. It's too cold here most of the year to wear frocks
5. I don't lie
6. There is already a Scottie in the White House, and I would be accused of copying Bush if I took Angus to the Elysee

At December 03, 2006 10:57 PM, Anonymous SH said...

Those who can, blog; those who can't, bitch. We need some more constructive contributions here. Although Nathalie Gettliffe seems to be as effective at killing a blog as Anne Gilbert's "poetry".

At December 03, 2006 11:24 PM, Blogger Bill Taylor said...

I notice there's not a lot of support for her carol-singing "brainwave" (or storm or whatever). At least she hasn't yet begun composing carols.
It's probably not too late to kidnap your children, Louise, but don't bring them to Canada. Not just now, anyway. It's cold here too. I'm just back from northern Ontario where I was snowed in for an extra 24 hours by a blizzard. Hard to drive when the black of night is whited-out by the blowing snow. Thank heavens for wayside motels and four-wheel-drive (no, it's not one of those obscenely huge SUVs).

At December 04, 2006 12:55 AM, Blogger Robert Marchenoir said...

"Some might consider that a long turgid post is preferable to a short turdish one."

Bravo anonymous. This blog has really some masters of wit and the English language.

At December 04, 2006 1:43 AM, Anonymous the anne gilbert fan club said...

Welcome, sweet Christmas, blest be the morn
That Christ our Saviour was born!
Earth's Redeemer, to save us from all danger,
And, as the Holy Record tells, born in a manger.

The snow was on the ground when Christ was born,
And the Virgin Mary His mother felt very forlorn
As she lay in a horse's stall at a roadside inn,
Till Christ our Saviour was born to free us from sin.

At December 04, 2006 8:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, you've done it Bill - carols, here we come. I hope the remark about snow was just general - I don't think it snows all that frequently in Bethlehem - but perhaps 2000 years ago they didn't suffer from global warming.

At December 04, 2006 11:14 AM, Anonymous passerby said...

Thanks Louise. That's another tick I can put in my "I Spy" Book of Blogging Fauna. Who'd have thunk -Anne Gilbert fan club = Bill Taylor.

"Welcome Sweet Christmas" is presumably more rustic verse from that Scottish fella. So what's Bill Taylor trying to say ? That if you think Anne Gilbert is bad, then getta loada this !

Actually there's a certain charm
to that Mac Whatsisname. Remember, he was writing pre TV. His poems, in cheap newspapers, not expensive books, were crammed with homely detail, and maybe doubled as fireside stories.

At December 04, 2006 2:48 PM, Blogger Bill Taylor said...

You misread Louise, passerby. I think she was referring to my "at least she hasn't yet begun composing carols" remark. The Anne Gilbert fan club most certainly does NOT = Bill Taylor. You need to erase whatever you put in your blogging I-Spy book. (Those I-Spy books aren't still around, are they?) Personally, I'll take McGonagall over AG any day but it's all getting a little wearisome.

At December 04, 2006 4:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yep, sorry, passerby - I was just telling Bill off for winding up anne into christmas carol mode - we risk having ditties for the next three weeks...thank goodness blogs don't have sound - they don't, do they?

At December 04, 2006 6:00 PM, Blogger Bill Taylor said...

I'm sorry, too, Louise for the wind-up. I promise not to sing if you don't.

At December 04, 2006 6:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have just looked at Colin B's blog - and he has managed to add sound to a pic of a blonde called Shakira, so maybe if we are intelligent we can add sounds to blogs - God help us! I honestly and truly promise not to sing Bill - if I did, all your computers would explode!

At December 04, 2006 7:02 PM, Blogger Bill Taylor said...

Adding sound is no testament to intelligence, Louise. Anything but. It's just more noise pollution. Which is why I'm not inviting you to join me in a quick chorus of "Jack Frost roasting on an open fire." I'm sure we can ease ourselves into the Christmas frenzy without a musical accompliment. Though exploding computers might look quite festive...

At December 05, 2006 7:27 PM, Anonymous PhantomZone said...


The verdict is in. She's been sentenced to 16 months in jail, minus 10 months for time served. It would have been 14 using the 2 for 1 ratio, but it looks like the judge split the difference.

Add to the fact that we have to release people after they've served something like 2/3rd or 3/4 of thier sentence means she'll be out in four to five months.

At December 05, 2006 7:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The verdict is in?
Was there a jury in this case.
Perhaps you meant the Judge has given his/her judgement.


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